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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102755

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After getting the bottom painted, I figured it was time to get the engine built and in place before painting the topside.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102756

Looking great Andrew!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm still debating on what color I should paint the 350 for the Resorter. I thinking Chevy Orange like yours but technically it has all the Owens Flagship parts so I should probably go with the Flagship light blue.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102758

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Waterwings wrote:

Looking great Andrew!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm still debating on what color I should paint the 350 for the Resorter. I thinking Chevy Orange like yours but technically it has all the Owens Flagship parts so I should probably go with the Flagship light blue.

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I went with the Chevy Orange because I'm looking for that 1960's hotrod theme. Your engine will look great in the light blue!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102765

Thanks I'm leaning that way. I know it's the wrong motor for the boat but at least it will still be true to it's Flagship roots engine wise. plus if I go with the Chevy TPI idea, that intake and plenum etc would probably look cool in the light blue.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102766

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The TPI is not a good idea for marine use or any other automotive EFI. The computer is set up for road use, vacuum sender for load sensing and a oxygen sensor. If you got to have EFI, Holley has marine kits with the right ECU programming for the steep and continuous load curve of boat hulls.

As much a fan of EFI that I am, I have had to come to terms with the fact that carbs are still a good fit for marine engines and EFI only nosed in when the EPA regs got tough to pass. Go for a vacuum secondary carb, they are less fiddly to tune since they are demand orientated.

Now if you could snag the whole EFI system off a Mercruser with a blown engine... :)

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102785

I'm thinking the FAST system as it self tunes and can support the torque curve. The real question is the o2 sensor, will it work closed loop if not ho do I get open looped? Would probably have to come up with an adapter plate for the manifold to keep it away from the water. This has been done from what I've found doing an internet search. The timing isn't an issue, planned on using a Crane electronic ignition module in the distributor.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102786

Sorry Andrew didn't mean to steal your post.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102787

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If you are talking about the relatively cheap like 800-900$ TPI only control yes it needs its wide band O2 sensor to work. That one is not for boats either. You can use one of FAST 2000$+ controllers where you can program everything, control the timing, do COP, and run them in no feed back speed density or Alpha N mode, and have to bring the skills to do so. Been down this road, and found a 250-300$ vacuum secondary carb just made more sense. Unless you are doing some exotic race engine setup.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102805

Sent you an email, didn't want to hijack Andrews thread. ;)

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102826

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Yea sorry about the thread jacking. Just been down that road, and didn't want someone else to waste money and time.

Andrew, Don't make that boat to fast and scare off the ladies. :)

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102827

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Andrew, make the boat really fast and get the right ladies.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102835

Yeah what Cal said!!!!!! lol

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102845

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63 Sabre wrote:

Andrew, make the boat really fast and get the right ladies.


Already got the perfect one!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102846

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After getting the engine together I had to figure out how to mount it in the Deluxe..

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102847

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Beautiful job!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102850

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Looking great Andrew!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102855

Outstanding Andrew!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102860

WOW great work Andrew, you are well on your way to having a boat worth bragging about. :laugh:

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102872

Great work Andrew I will be back in SC for the holidays til early Feb. Will have to stop over and check your fabulous work in person You are going to have a one of a kind when it is finished

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102875

Andrew, beautiful work! I am spending Christmas with my family on Sullivans Island. My brother is just finishing his custom built flats boat for my nephew. We always love to see others projects and learn from others work. You are doing an incredible job on a very unique boat. Way cool!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102876

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Hey, all are invited to stop by, we will sit by my wood heater and share boat stories! Alfred, I will be waiting to hear from you, a lot has happened since last year!
72Hornet, give me call and stop by if you don't mind driving up to Easley. 864-546-1589

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102878

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Easley, SC huh? It just so happens that I will be in SC twice next year, Lord willin and crick don't rise... May 28-31 at Hickory Knob on Clarke's Lake and again in November at Lake Murray. Shame its a bit of a fer piece from you.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102927

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After gel coating the bilge area I set the engine back in, took a hundred measurements and bolted the thing down.
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102949

Excellent, looks great.


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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102974

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All that horse power is going to break that stringer drive. :laugh:

I hope you bring that beast out to one of the ACBS shows in NC or SC.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #102975

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Thanks for invite, I would love to come!

My stringer was originally bolted to a 351 so I believe I will be ok. Plus I'm not going to be hammering the old girl, just cruising around with Rosie.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103242

Beautiful job so far my glasspar lido has thousands of cracks and i was going to texture paint the top only cause i didnt want cracks to come back but i dont want to kill the look of the boat ..my top looks like your hull pictures..never messed with this kind of cracking before so your pics gave me hope lol..mabye you can help me with a list of paints and fillers you used..seems like it worked for you so id like to do the same

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103246

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dmdesighns wrote:

Beautiful job so far my glasspar lido has thousands of cracks and i was going to texture paint the top only cause i didnt want cracks to come back but i dont want to kill the look of the boat ..my top looks like your hull pictures..never messed with this kind of cracking before so your pics gave me hope lol..mabye you can help me with a list of paints and fillers you used..seems like it worked for you so id like to do the same


Jan @ Nautilus gave me the best advice ever for dealing with all the cracks... use gel-coat. I sanded the old, cracked surface, washed with acetone, then rolled on two thick coats of the gel-coat pressing it into the cracks and pits. Let cure 24 hours and sanded with 220 and 320 grit. Apply again if needed and re-sand. It will be super smooth after that. Be ready for a ton of dust though!
Then lay on a thick coat of primer surface and wet sand.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103285

Just found your thread and will go thru them all soon. Got a 1962 OMC like yours this summer. Fairly decent shape with all the interior, original trailer kinda bent up, but motor is toast. Any thoughts on what I could repower it with? Thinking about maybe a mid to late 80's OMC under 160 hp. Assume outdrive and all will get done at once...redo transom etc. Do you think a 4 cyl or v-6 is the way to go? Or rebuild what I have? Mine pretty buttoned up for winter right now, but will start in the spring.
thanx. dahatman in Iowa.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103290

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dahatman wrote:

Just found your thread and will go thru them all soon. Got a 1962 OMC like yours this summer. Fairly decent shape with all the interior, original trailer kinda bent up, but motor is toast. Any thoughts on what I could repower it with? Thinking about maybe a mid to late 80's OMC under 160 hp. Assume outdrive and all will get done at once...redo transom etc. Do you think a 4 cyl or v-6 is the way to go? Or rebuild what I have? Mine pretty buttoned up for winter right now, but will start in the spring.
thanx. dahatman in Iowa.


Hey, thanks for posting on my thread. I would suggest you check the OMCboats.org link in my signature. It is more up to date with my restomod and more pictures to be sure. You will definitely want a V6 at minimum. These boats are heavy and 4 cylinder will be worked to death and underpowered. Any upgrade will require a ton of work, it is certainly fun work though! Send me an email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. if you would like to chat about your Deluxe.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103292

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Update: Time to sand and paint the topside of the Deluxe.















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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103320

Boat is looking sweet, lucky I have only had to rub out gelcoat and haven't done any fiber work, that will be a thing to learn with this new habit.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103322

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Andrew, I gotta say this resto gives me a TON of inspiration. I would love to get my hands on one of these boats just cause they're so crazy looking. Way to go on this one and can't wait till the next, congrats.
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103324

Excellent work Andrew!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #103325

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Thanks everyone, I really appreciate the compliments and kind words. I can't wait to see this thing in the water!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 8 months ago #104526

Any ideas about 120-140 hp repower options with outdrive?
Have a 1962 OMC like yours and motor is toast. Thinking about newer motor 20-25 years old, need to rebuild transom anyway. Any thoughts...would prefer to stay OMC. These boats were extremely well made and will be a tank when I get it done.
Kinda like a Lambourgini SUV. thanx, Dahatman

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 8 months ago #104546

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Shoot me an email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. or text me 864-546-1589 and we can chat about your Deluxe.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 8 months ago #104951

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My good friend Alfred (VTflatlander) came to visit this past Sunday. We started the engine and played like we were actually on the water somewhere! Come back again Fred...

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 8 months ago #104952

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Update: I got a new fuel tank and had to dream up a way to mount it up front where the original tank was mounted.















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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 8 months ago #104960

Great thread !!!Great job!!Cool boat!!

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