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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #89906

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This is what Rosie refers to as "A Truck Load of Junk"



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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #89909

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Hidden in that "pile of junk" is my 327 and the 800 series stringer that I'm going to rebuild for the Deluxe. I got the drive super cheap and the old engine that it was hooked to was free. The old Ford engine is JUNK but I wanted as many parts from it as possible and sold the rest for scrap.

So... the 800 Stringer rebuild will be next up!



Watch it go from this...



to this!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #89910

That's what i call a treasure chest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90054

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First thing was to build a cheap dolly for the drive to sit on.




Then I started cleaning the bellhousing...



Cleaned and primed. Ready to be painted later.
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90057

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Ummm, I see a potential problem... I know in Mercruiser gearing, a v6 lower unit on a v8 engine = no planing......

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90076

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Shake wrote:

Ummm, I see a potential problem... I know in Mercruiser gearing, a v6 lower unit on a v8 engine = no planing......


Great point. Luckily the gearing difference in a stringer occurs in the upper gear housing.

The only difference between a V-6 and V-8 lower unit was the decal on the side. Same part number for either.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90082

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Let me ask a potentially, brilliant or stupid, question. I'm not familiar with the old omc drives, but the one I have been up close to is so different different to the Merc alpha's I know. I see where the engine in this case a chevy bolted up to the drive like a car or inboard transmission would. Unlike the way a merc sets off the engine on its mounts and there is a short "drive shaft" to the drive housing thats bolted to the transom.

So after that windy setup the question is:
Will that drive that came with a (I assume) 302 Ford, fit up to the Chevy? Including the flywheel, drive plate or whatever they use. Plus all the marine cooling bits like chevy manifolds, parts to hook the manifolds to the drives exhaust, or a thru transom exhaust.

My buddy still has the stringer off his checkmate. There was no engine. most of the drive is there. I am sure he will get off any bits you might need cheap. (or a 12 pack :) ) This one is the fancy version with the trim jacks that raise/lower the front of the engine for trim.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90088

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Brilliant question!

The answer is no.

To use my 327 I needed to locate a flywheel and adapter that is splined to the input shaft of the 800. New exhaust manifolds of course. The risers on the Ford were standard Barr replacements so those I can use! The exhaust is going through the hull. I picked up a few other items like a thermostat housing, dipstick and tube, front mount, etc. I took my time and searched Craigslist until found a guy with a junk 305 I could get most of stuff for $150!

The bell house had the marks for a Chevy bolt pattern. I just drilled it out on the drill press and it bolted right up.

Does your buddy have any of the trim stuff left?

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90095

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When next I am out at his place which might be this weekend I will take pics and scope what is there. I think there might be manifolds, but I am not sure what shape they are in.

Mark

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 months ago #90107

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Thanks Mark!

I cant seem to get the email feature here to work... please email me at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90305

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Update: rebuilding the intermediate housing. disassembled, cleaned, primed, inspected, and all seals replaced.















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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90315

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Damned nice looking unit. I'm thinking that maybe I should sub-out some of my work to you. Wanna do a couple more stringer units?

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90336

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Nautilus wrote:

Damned nice looking unit. I'm thinking that maybe I should sub-out some of my work to you. Wanna do a couple more stringer units?


Sure, shoot me an email with what you have in mind.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90341

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Update: The 800 rebuild continues...


new tilt motor

The 800 has a shield on the ball gear

new trim motor mounted

Be sure to tap ever hole.

New anode

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Stringer work continues. Regrettably I didn't take any pictures of me rebuilding the upper gear housing. This is the heart and soul of a Stringer and where most problems occur.

This little gear housing contains the steering, shifter cable, exhaust, cooling water, water pump, 3 shafts, and numerous bearing and seals.

If you neglect or misuse a Stringer the damage usually begins here.





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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90607

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Update: the lower unit dis-assembly.




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The tightest snap ring known to man!











The only approved hammer for Stringer repair!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90776

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Update: Cleaned and primed the exhaust housing. Assembled with the upper gear housing.







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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90777

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The lower gear case rebuild continues...








Stripped out threads

Drill to correct size for Heli-coil repair



Tap out hole

insert heli-coil

problem solved

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90819

Excellent work it's looking great so far.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90829

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Waterwings wrote:

Excellent work it's looking great so far.

Bob


Thanks Bob! keep checking in for more to come

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90858

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Update: Re-assembled the lower unit with new seals and primed.







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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #90871

Nicely done!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #91026

Looking great Andy

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #91094

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looking Really good here so far.... This boat is going to be a sleeeeeeeepppper!!!! we want to see videos of your victums!! When you got to that of coarse..

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Shake wrote:

looking Really good here so far.... This boat is going to be a sleeeeeeeepppper!!!! we want to see videos of your victums!! When you got to that of coarse..


Thanks for the compliments Captain Shake! So far, my wallet is it's only victim. haha

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #91125

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Update: base coat and clear coat then reassemble.















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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #91146

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Looking really good Andrew, nice work!

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MarkS wrote:

Looking really good Andrew, nice work!


Thanks Mark! The really hard work is about to start... the body work!

Here is what I'm up to right this minute..
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 1 month ago #91153

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I'm still keeping an eye on ya. Looks good. That is some serious steep pitch on that prop. What is the ratio of that drive?
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l98tpi wrote:

I'm still keeping an eye on ya. Looks good. That is some serious steep pitch on that prop. What is the ratio of that drive?
mark

The gear ratio is 21:16, that's the gear set for either a Chevy 350 or Ford 351

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 weeks ago #92116

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Next up... months and months of body work.
I started out by stripping the hull...






At this point, I had no idea I would be able to flip the deluxe over to work on the bottom. So I thought I could work on the bottom from underneath...DUH!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 weeks ago #92118

Since I started tagging along your rebuild of this Deluxe, I've noticed 2 w/in minutes of my house & each other, locally. Had only ever seen pix of 2 others before yours and now there's 2 around locally. hmmmm seemed odd enough to mention it.

1 seems about the same as yours, in need of some attention, but the other's condition is only a 1/2 step from really sad....

Looking forward to the AFV/YouTube video of the flip of this wide body craft...........

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jbcurt00 wrote:

Looking forward to the AFV/YouTube video of the flip of this wide body craft...........


Let me tell ya...I flipped this thing over TWICE! By my self! Maybe I should say she flipped herself over... Stay tuned for that!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 2 weeks ago #92134

Yeah once they get going over, watch out if you don't have enough peeps, as you probably found out. Looks like your came out ok though. ;)

Bob

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 11 months ago #94306

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Update: Before I figured out how to flip this monster over I spent a few months working on my back repairing some of the worst damage...









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I gave up working on my back and worked on the top side...




















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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 11 months ago #94436

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Update: started the endless sanding process and removed the last of her old identity.









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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 11 months ago #94788

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Update: Body work continues, I focused on filling all the old holes in the dash and removing that ugly "elephant hide" texture.









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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 11 months ago #94791

Its all about the prep brotha!

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 3 years 10 months ago #95073

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Update: Jan Hadley recommended using gel coat as a body filler to get rid of the elephant hide texture and the 10,000 cracks and imperfections.

Let me tell you, that stuff is amazing! You can cover a large area, it sets up quick, and sands away easily leaving a smooth surface.













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