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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87045

You have a high profile drive. Actually I believe that all the drives were high profile until the early 70s (but I could be wrong). What that means visually is that your exhaust shroud is about 4" taller. Internally there are obviously differences regarding shaft length but that is not the issue.

The issue is that your motor sits 4" higher from the bottom of the boat. This makes servicing the starter and such easier BUT it also means your transom cut out is 4" too high. All (or at least most)late model electric shifts were low profile and all 400/800 series were low profile.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87046

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jimandros wrote:

The issue is that your motor sits 4" higher from the bottom of the boat. This makes servicing the starter and such easier BUT it also means your transom cut out is 4" too high. All (or at least most)late model electric shifts were low profile and all 400/800 series were low profile.


Thanks for the heads up on the length! I thought the 800 was shorter but I didn't know the exact length. I'm willing to try anything, modify the deck, mounts and transom as needed. Its amazing what you can do with some wood and fiberglass! :lol:

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87058

4 inches is the length that comes to mind but I cant be certain that is exact.

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4 inches is the length that comes to mind but I cant be certain that is exact.


Just a reminder, the work that I'm posting now is from last year. I am posting a little each week to slowly catch up to where I am now...

Here is a peak of what the future holds..
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87066

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Back to work removing the rotten deck...



Clean her up some and letting it dry out.



Clean her up some and letting it dry out.



Got the old fuel tank out of the way.
Hmmm, I wonder what I will find inside there?



Something tells me I better keep these for a template later...



The first wood I found that wasn't rotten. I've seen some people stop here and replace just the back 3/4 of the deck. Why would you do that???

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87123

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Cleaning out the port sponson.


Getting a little thin down there.
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87147

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Getting all that old foam out the sponson was a chore!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87172

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Andrew:

Having been through all this before, I can tell you that when you said it's "getting a little thin down there," you're right. When we fitted all our new floor framing, we did it from walk boards laid across the bulkheads. This allowed us to lay out everything perfectly. As you already know, I'm sure, when you step onto the hull, there is a LOT of give/distortion. We bedded all the framing members in copious 5200. All was held together with 3" stainless screws. After the 5200 cured, we had rock solid framework...dead level.





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Your frame work looks awesome!

I added some extra around the edges with 5200 and two extra stringers up the center to support the deck till the foam went in. I had to use support boards as well during a lot of the work.
I didn't add the floatation foam (7 gallons worth) until after the deck was glued, screwed, and tabbed into place.

I wish I could have seen how you did this before I did mine. I was in uncharted waters for sure.:unsure:

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The foam and rotten deck removal continues!

Got her all cleaned out, now its time to start the grinding. Anyone who knows what this is can sympathize!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87183

Im working an older marina....we have some nos ball gears and others on a shelf, got any part #.

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Ponyboy wrote:

Im working an older marina....we have some nos ball gears and others on a shelf, got any part #.


Hey Ponyboy try these part numbers: 383177 and 379415. these are the press on ball gears. Thanks for the help!

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Grinding!!!!! I was so tired after spending an entire day in the boat with a 4 1/2 inch grinder. Full tyvex suit, respirator, ear muffs, and of course, eye protection.









This is the part where a lot of people quit on a boat and find something else to take apart. Not me, the constructive part is what I live for!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87224

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I can't remember if you have seats. I have a complete set of five original seat frames, no cushions, that the owner didn't want to use...cheap to good home.

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Sorry...double post.

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87233

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Nautilus wrote:

I can't remember if you have seats. I have a complete set of five original seat frames, no cushions, that the owner didn't want to use...cheap to good home.


I do need some seat frames, shoot me an email at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., if the price is right I will lay the cash in your hand next week!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87254

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Things I've learned so far:
1. Anything can look good in a picture.
2. You will spend as much time cleaning up as you will actually working on your boat! That dust is murder.



That being said, another day was spent with a shop vac and broom getting rid of the grinding dust.
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SCORE!!!

A big special thanks to Jan Hadley @ Nautilus Restorations, he hooked me up with a set of seat frames today at a super awesome price!! Jan knew I needed these pretty bad and could have priced them high.

He offered them to me at a price I couldn't refuse and I brought them home today!

Thanks Jan!!



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After I got the Deluxe cleaned out and up in the air, I gave the hull a good looking at. Time to access the damage and make the final decision. Give the old girl a heart, lung and kidney transplant or make this her autopsy!

I heard the words from that old Six Million Dollar Man show...

"We can rebuild him...We have the technology"


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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87335

It'll buff out. Skip.

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skipthescrounger wrote:

It'll buff out. Skip.


That is too funny! :lol:

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87354

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The stringers in a deluxe are fiberglass filled with foam. These will need some repair and reinforcing before anything else can happen...
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Patching up the stringers...



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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87417

I got a look at the parts we talked about ...not the ones you need, This Jan. I will be going through a pile of Obsolete OMC parts, if I find any thing I will post it

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Ponyboy wrote:

I got a look at the parts we talked about ...not the ones you need, This Jan. I will be going through a pile of Obsolete OMC parts, if I find any thing I will post it


Thanks for giving a look for them, I appreciate your effort. Keep checking in for more photos and posts... the work continues

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 7 months ago #87432

Ponyboy I PM'd you earlier for specs on a 2 blade bronze and will try again. I'm looking for a 14 x 24 Mercury 2 blade to change to an OMC hub. Did you sell the original?

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 6 months ago #87444

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Check this out, I found 4 screws sticking up through the hull. These were covered by the scabs on the outside of the hull.

Anyone got any ideas why someone did this?









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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 6 months ago #87457

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I can't say for sure but a good guess would be that your boat is haunted. The screws were probably put there to create a magnetic anomaly, generally thought to interfere with visits from those on the "other side." You should probably keep a Proton Pack with a Neutrino Wand handy...just in case. I hope this information proves to be helpful.

OK...So where are all the before/during/after gelcoat photos?

Lastly, you've got a deal on the engine/outdrive. I'll pick it up next week, bearing three gifts. If your US Comp order has arrived, I can save you a trip.

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Maybe I should put those screws back in... or wear a tin foil hat when ever I'm in the Deluxe!
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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 6 months ago #87474

I don't thonk tin foil will affect a compass and I am sure the 4 stainless screws won't.

My depth perception isn't too good in those pictures but it looks to me like they are at low points. I suggest someone drilled the holes to drain water.

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jimandros wrote:

I don't thonk tin foil will affect a compass and I am sure the 4 stainless screws won't.

My depth perception isn't too good in those pictures but it looks to me like they are at low points. I suggest someone drilled the holes to drain water.


Their attempt to drain water failed miserably, considering the 1000 pounds of wet foam I pulled out. :S

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 6 months ago #87509

They used them to hold the patch on in case the epoxy failed, or they were just dumb^$@*^&$.

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More pictures of inside the hull, planning to make some repairs before the deck is replaced.











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Making a few repairs...

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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 6 months ago #87532

Hi Andy
Been following your rest Sure looks good I'm from VT visiting daughter here in Greer SC would like to meet you and see your boat. Don't know how to PM you hope I am not offending anyone. If you would like to contact me This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Good job
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vtflatlander wrote:

Hi Andy
Been following your rest Sure looks good I'm from VT visiting daughter here in Greer SC would like to meet you and see your boat. Don't know how to PM you hope I am not offending anyone. If you would like to contact me This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. Good job
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Hey Fred, I'm looking forward to you coming by for a visit!:)

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Time to start on the deck.











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Re:1964 Johnson Deluxe Resto-Mod 4 years 6 months ago #87672

man that looks like a sweet project your working on! just remember to learn from all your mistakes along the way and also have a blast while rebuilding that glassic. keep the pics and progress coming and hopefully your on the water soon. best of luck

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Thanks for posting bc buehler, I have learned a ton on this thing and had even more fun. As far as the mistakes are concerned, I've lost count!

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Photo update: Cutting out the deck and treating the bottom and edges with polyester resin. The deck is glued in with PL premium, stainless screws.








I have found that 5 gallon buckets full of water make good weights to hold things in place.

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