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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145877

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I have an opportunity to pick up this outboard locally advertised for $300. Looks like it has been cared for but has no spark. Before I jump on this almost 50 year old engine, how available are parts for this outboard? I would like to assume it is a simple ignition issue that it has but looking for more info before I make a purchase for my midlife project.

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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145889

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Howdy, I don't have access to the old Chrysler parts diagrams, but a little research indicates that the older Magnapower CDI ignitions had points. I pulled up some old pics of Magnapower distributors with your model number, and the pics did show breaker points. So it's possible the points are dirty and need to be cleaned and gapped.

Newer models had electronic pickups inside the distributor, probably not serviceable and would be expensive to track down.

The ign modules on these are gonna be expensive if the one on the motor you're looking at is bad. CDI Electronics sells a combination module and coil unit that's a replacement for the OE parts, at over $300. Saw one of those on eBay.

This page has some good tips for troubleshooting these old Chrysler ignitions, including wire-for-wire i.d. of the ign module functions:

www.outboardignition.com/page2.asp

It seems like you may be able to substitute an OMC CD module for the Chrysler if you find the right one??? That probably needs some research, but a points-fired CD ignition with a distributor doesn't need much to work right. It just has to have a trigger (i.e. points), power, and connections to the coil, etc.

A Chrysler CD ignition module from an old points-fired car could probably be converted to make sparks. For that matter, there are some Mercury ignition modules for CDI that can be made to fire with a set of points and some creative wiring. And those modules are readily available and usually inexpensive.

The other important thing is, how are the internals? If you can take a compression check, more the better. Tilt the engine up and spray some WD-40 or other light lubricant (Marvel Mystery Oil, for example) in the spark plug holes, then turn the flywheel a couple times to distribute the lube.

If the ignition switch doesn't work when you connect a battery, just jumper +12V from the battery with a wire, to the small-wire connection on the starter solenoid. Do compression checks with all plugs out and only the compression gauge screwed into the cylinder being tested. The value of the readings isn't so important as how evenly they compare to each other. If you have one or more cylinders 10 or more psi higher (or lower) than others, the innards have problems and the motor is probably better bought as parts rather than a "fixer".

Biggest problem I've seen on the very old 85hp models was head gaskets blowing out. Usually from lack of re-torque on the head bolts, or in salt water, the head bolts getting seized from salt buildup, then the head "sandwich" can't flex like it's supposed to, the head warps, and away you go. The solution there is to flatten the head with sandpaper laid on a big piece of glass, or much easier take it to a machine shop and have it resurfaced or milled flat. New head gasket, lubed bolts, properly re-torqued, good to go.

If the one you're looking at is a fresh-water motor, the bolts probably won't be stuck and could just be re-torqued.

Also check the lower unit for water in the gear oil. I can't recall if that L/U has a drain plug or has (2) vent plugs up high. If the latter, you'd pull either or both and see what's in there. Or pop the drain plug if it has one. If the oil is all milky, it's got bad oil seals. Usually the driveshaft upper seal, under the water pump.

Anyway, if the motor checks out OK, $300 may be on the high side since it's an off-brand, but it still might be worth working on. Hopefully it comes with the control box, cables, and electrical harness, because those can be pricey to find.

HTH & let us know what you find.............ed

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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145890

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The controls would come with it but after further consideration I started to back out of the purchase. 85hp may be way too much motor for my project boat and will most likely just clean up the 50hp Johnson. But now have a new problem. The damn seller wants to sell the boat also! He claims everything is solid only needs a good polish, spark issue resolved, and tires that he would replace. Asking $800. 1972 Arrow Glass Challenger. I am considering offering less, declining tires and taking the risk on the motor issues if he still has this after X-mas. I am afraid I may be getting addicted.
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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145892

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"Good.............Goooood.............The addiction is kicking in." "Yes, my Master!"

Decent looking boat, nice V-hull. It should handle well. Interior looks nice, too. Check the floor for soft spots and also check the transom for stress cracks that could indicate rotten wood within.

To really check it well, with the motor down place your foot on the rear upper end of the lower unit, and press forward hard. If the transom is shot, all that forward stress will make a lot of motion. If it's solid, it won't move much if at all. You'll know as soon as you push on it.

Trailer tires aren't too expensive, the trailer looks pretty nice, too. Obviously a fresh-water rig.

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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145894

The boat looks good. Nice seats, but they don't look original to the boat and mounted in an odd arrangement. Normally the seats would be mounted almost all the way out to the sides so theres a walkway between them. The way they are the driver wouldn't be sitting right behind the steering wheel either. Easily fixed tho.

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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145897

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Maybe they were working on something under the dash, or needed access to the bow area. Looks like it may be only the driver's seat that's displaced, the pssgr seat seems to be over to the side, where you'd expect it to be. And yeah, easy enough to re-mount 'em.

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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145898

I'll bet you're right. I didn't notice that they're all the way over on the port side.

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I found a cool site with lots of pics of Arrow Glass Boats, there's one of the Challenger too:

arrowglassboats.proboards.com/thread/21/1972-catalog

I expanded some of the pics of the boat for sale, and that's a pretty clean-looking hull. Needs the oxidation buffed, but there are 3M polishing compounds that will work wonders, along with a heavy-duty buffer. Or even a cheap one from Harbor Freight!

That hull has a pad at the stern, so it should be fast. At speed it'll rise up and "float" on the pad. And it's rated for 115hp so you could put a nice Merc Inline Six on there and really fly! :laugh:
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1972 Chrysler 85hp Model 857HD 7 months 3 weeks ago #145902

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I forgot to mention there are a number of members here with Arrow Glass boats, they seem to think highly of them. One post I saw mentioned knowing a guy who used to be their test/torture driver, they put the boats thru all kinds of punishment. Apparently are very well built. I didn't see any cracks on the zoomed-in pic of the transom.

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