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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116050

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I looked up the part number for a 1968 85 hp john rude flywheel on marine engine and came up with 0580685. If your '67 80hp takes the same flywheel as a '68 85 hp. I ebayed a couple that might fit. hopefully anotherhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/301353738148?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116051

vintagerunner Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 267 Karma: 18 Thank you received: 1	wow by looking up your motor.. it looks as if 66 and 68 are different... but your flyheel is the same on all 67 v4's... 60,80,100 hp's part # 0580645 this is the only one i see Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116061

frog Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 1431 Karma: 59 Thank you received: 3	Bob, how is the end of your crank shaft? it might be bad also. just a thought. greg Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116064

charles Offline Junior Boarder Posts: 127 Karma: 1 Thank you received: 0	I go along with every one on this the flywheel looks bad find a new one over the winter good luck. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116068

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Wow thanks for all the help guys. Yeah I have to agree it's starting to look pretty bad. From what I can tell it looks like the '67 flywheel was a one year only deal, gee go figure, that's about par for the course with this thing! lol

Vintagerunner yep that's the one, problem is I can't get a real good look at the keyway to make sure it isn't in the same shape mine is. I'll have to try an contact them.

Thanks guys!!!!

Bob

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116073

vintagerunner Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 267 Karma: 18 Thank you received: 1	just remember.. that 1 year only flywheel... is the same on all their v4 motors... 60hp 80hp 100hp... so your not limited to looking at 80hp part... hope that one i found checks out good for you... Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116076

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Thanks. Greg the crankshaft end is fine. Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116108

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Sorry to confirm - the 67 flywheel is indeed only a 1 year deal. I think both the crank and the flywheel hub are worth lapping a few times to see what happens. The snout on the crank looks iffy - at least in the pictures. Maybe it's really more clean than it appears. But if the crank has any galling at all, even a new flywheel won't fix it alone. The snout needs to be as clean and burr free as possible. If it were mine, I'd lap it really well, then clean it of. Then paint the crank with some machinist's bluing compound. Set the flywheel on after the bluing has dried and slowly move the flywheel a quarter turn or more on the the stationary crank. Pull the wheel straight up and off the engine. Look to see how the bluing has been scraped - any high or low areas should be visible by the marks left in the bluing

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116110

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Thanks Bruce. I'll try and lap it a few more times and then do the bluing to see how it comes out. yesterday and today were Resorter days. Steamed the chines in so I should be able to get back to the flywheel while the chines dry. Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116178

redfishpirates Offline Gold Boarder Posts: 559 Karma: 29 Thank you received: 4	Bob....looked at the bluish green "evinrude" that turned out to be a Johnson....didn't know they made them in that color....model no. V4L-19M....looks like a 67 from a chart online....posting a pic to see if it looks like yours before I try to take it off...john Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116179

redfishpirates Offline Gold Boarder Posts: 559 Karma: 29 Thank you received: 4	sorry...should be V4AL-19M Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116186

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	John, thanks yep right one but let's see what the general opinion is on the following pics before we do anything else. So here are the after lapping and after bluing pics. I don't think it looks that bad but I'm no expert. Thoughts anyone? Bob Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116210

vintagerunner Offline Expert Boarder Posts: 267 Karma: 18 Thank you received: 1	still not thrilled with the bottom end of the key way grove.. but thats just me.. looks damaged and widened from the pictures.. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116212

63 Sabre Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4676 Karma: 147 Thank you received: 167	I gotta agree, damage to the keyway is not good, looks like you are only getting about 2/3 of the holding power. Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116217

frog Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 1431 Karma: 59 Thank you received: 3	Bob, crank looks usable to me but I would get a different flywheel, greg Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116218

ed-mc Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 1389 Karma: 232 Thank you received: 113	Yeah, that keyway is really, really bad. Time for another flywheel! Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116219

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Well crap!!!! lol John, is that 80 you have toast, I hate to have you part it out if it's usable. Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116220

redfishpirates Offline Gold Boarder Posts: 559 Karma: 29 Thank you received: 4	bob...I think shes froze....was in with a pile of v4s we bought....I was more into the 75s....will be gone over the weekend....will check it out more Tuesday...john Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116223

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Bob;

I have been following your thread from the beginning, and I must admit you have greater patience that I will ever have. I hope a replacement flywheel will be the final answer for you. I have learned much by reading this thread, for sure. So many great people on this site that are more than willing to help. Thanks for posting so many pics, it has been very interesting. Keep on trying - you are an inspiration!

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116226

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Roger that John, standing by on this end, thanks. Rick glad I can help everyone out, but just once I'd like to not be the "example"! LOL Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116246

63 Sabre Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4676 Karma: 147 Thank you received: 167	Bob, finally found a "smilie" that you can use. Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 6 months ago #116262

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Excellent Cal, thanks!!!!!!!! Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116333

redfishpirates Offline Gold Boarder Posts: 559 Karma: 29 Thank you received: 4	well popped right off!!! Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116334

redfishpirates Offline Gold Boarder Posts: 559 Karma: 29 Thank you received: 4	wasn't as easy to take a pic of my hole as I thought it would be!!! Attachments: Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116336

frog Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 1431 Karma: 59 Thank you received: 3	john, looks like a good one. just get a one price shipping box from the post office. greg Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again 8 years 5 months ago #116337

ed-mc Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 1389 Karma: 232 Thank you received: 113	redfishpirates wrote: wasn't as easy to take a pic of my hole as I thought it would be!!! It's beautiful! Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again 8 years 5 months ago #116348

63 Sabre Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4676 Karma: 147 Thank you received: 167	We got the picture. Looks like a winner. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116353

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Excellent John!!!!!! Would you like to part with it? Send me a pm and let me know how much and I can give you and address to ship it too. Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116371

73Crestliner Offline Senior Boarder Posts: 228 Karma: 9 Thank you received: 0	Bob - looks like there might be light at the end of the tunnel Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116394

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Yeah Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116413

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Bob, Looking forward to seeing some finished pictures and water shots next season with the motor running. Almost 6 pages of problems with ups and downs. Hope this is the final wrap-up.
Now...put the cap on, test it with a hose and fog 'er for the winter. Time to relax move on and cut a few more boards for the Resorter.

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116436

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Thanks Cal, yep time to focus on the Resorter until the flywheel gets here. John, huge thanks for helping me out buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116656

Waterwings Topic Author Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4885 Karma: 107 Thank you received: 99	Well the flywheel came in today. THANKS JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It looks awesome and will go on hopefully tomorrow or Saturday. I'll keep you up to date. Bob Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116715

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Well the flywheel is back on. Used my buddies impact gun that put out 405ftlbs. Pulled the trigger until there wasn't any more movement.

Started her up and still not running right. Seemed like it was only firing on 3 cylinders. She died and didn't want to start again. The battery ran low gain so it's on a charger until tomorrow and I'll try again. More tomorrow.

Bob

Thanks again John!!!!!

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116716

redfishpirates Offline Gold Boarder Posts: 559 Karma: 29 Thank you received: 4	bob, your welcome.....I would think 80lbs should have been enough, hope you didn't strip anything!!! Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116719

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Robert..........Back to basics again.
Now that you have your 'new' top cap, assuming that the points, capacitor, etc. are correct and clean, plugs are gapped properly, all plug wires are connected correctly and are tight in their mags I would recheck the timing again....just to make sure. Ya know with all your ducks in a row now and a proper non slipping key you could be off a notch on the drive belt, Just sayin'. Some of us would really like to see an end to this 5/6 page thread, especially you

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116727

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Bob,

You may get credit for one of the longest running threads on the forum!

Throw that impact gun away. They are for removing rusty lug nuts, trailer & frame bolts. NEVER assembly with them. Besides possibly stripping the crankshaft or flywheel nut, you risk cracking the flywheel hub on the taper (remember, too tight = too far onto taper = spreading the hub) or worse yet, cracking the end of the crank.

Not sure of the proper torque on yours but my '66 DU (same core engine) calls for 70-85 foot-lbs

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116745

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You and me both Cal, you and me both!

Jim, Used the torque wrench the last two times and it was still coming loose. Went with the impact gun this time. Didn't have the full power anyway since I was using the hotdog tank compressor not my big one.

Checked everything over and looked correct. Point gaps looked a little off so I tweaked them. Took the battery off the charger and fired her up. Started right away but would run real well at idle, had to kick it up to keep running. Here is a video, still not sure it sounds right.

Thoughts?

Bob

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Re:'67 80 hp died again "Update" 8 years 5 months ago #116748

63 Sabre Offline Contributing Member Posts: 4676 Karma: 147 Thank you received: 167	Smokes about right. Me thinks you have a winner there. Keep the faith. Here's a run of a '66 90hp 'Rude you might want to watch. World speed record 135+ in 1966. Check this box to be notified of replies to this topic. Note: BBcode and smileys are still usable.
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